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What’s the difference between making art and living artistically? And could that difference be the thing holding you back?
This week Lyndon brings a topic Breallyn hasn’t heard — a portrait of someone who never called herself an artist, but created more than almost anyone he’s known. It turns into one of the most personal episodes they’ve made.
They also somehow end up at futons, icebreaker questions, and the undercover security guard at Myer. It’s that kind of conversation.
You might want to listen if:
- You’ve quietly stopped calling yourself creative
- You wonder whether what you make is “serious” enough to count
- You’ve lost someone whose way of living still teaches you things
- You’re carrying guilt about not creating enough
Pain In The Arts is a weekly Australian podcast about creative life — as it happens. Hosted by Lyndon (musician, studio owner, producer, working guitarist) and Breallyn Wesley (copywriter, Masters in Creative Writing, writing her debut novel). One of them never knows the topic until recording begins.
Pain In The Arts is a weekly podcast about the reality of creative life — hosted by Breallyn and Lyndon Wesley.
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Theme music by Lyndon Wesley
Produced on the traditional lands of the Wurundjeri Woi-wurrung and Bunurong Boon Wurrung Peoples of the Eastern Kulin
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Welcome to our corner of the creative universe, where life, art, and everything in between collide. Pain In The Arts is more than just a podcast—it’s a glimpse into our world, where we navigate the messy, beautiful journey of making art and living life.
So, whether you’re here for the conversations, curious about the creative process, or just need a break from your own hustle, you’re in the right place. And if you want to dive deeper into our journey, be sure to check out our Patreon, where the adventure continues with exclusive content and behind-the-scenes access.
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